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Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:35 pm


Summary/Update/Shortcuts to information:


September 7 2017: Liberal leader Matthew Guy promises to reopen Eel Race Rd crossing if Opposition wins state election next year - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=190&p=669#p669



Status as at April 2017:
Advice received today (April 7) from the LXRA regarding upcoming service investigations in the Seaford area - from April 12 - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=190&p=580#p580



Status as at March 2017:

Closures, elevated rail, bridges and trenches have been announced for level crossings on the Frankston line by the Level Crossing Removal Authority (LXRA).

  • Seaford Road - Bridge - 6.5m elevated rail on an embankment with a 1.5m lowered road - with trains, wires and gantries, etc. above that 6.5m
  • Eel Race Road - CLOSURE
  • Carrum - Elevated Rail, second bridge over Patterson River, proposed relocation of the stabling yards for trains & carriages from Carrum to Kananook
  • Overton Rd, Frankston - Elevated Rail - FASTtracked - from the LXRA website: "We will announce our preferred builder in May 2017, with construction starting well ahead of schedule before the end of the year. We are aiming to complete the level crossing removal by 2018"

Alternative Engineer-Designed Trench options - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=190&p=566#p566

Myth-buster
- water tables are not an issue - Springvale Rd crossing removal was under the water table - http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org/design-considerations/

Status as at November 2016:
  • A (now uncertain) number of crossings will be removed, based on options for those in the original list
  • The second round of public consultation on the available options closed Sunday, 30 October 2016
  • Recommended options will be released by the LXRA - no date has been set, but is expected to be late this year/early 2017
  • LXRA have stated that there will be further consultation at that time
  • LXRA is still conducting tests at several locations along the Frankston line
  • Keep up to date by following the hardworking community groups - click here for details

Shortcuts to information:



Level Crossing Removal Authority (LXRA) website: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/


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SCC Policy Statement:

The Seaford Community Committee had initially expected that:
  • the high water table
  • sandy soils
  • acid sulphate soils, and
  • proximity to the Port Phillip Bay and Kananook Creek
would preclude lowering the rail corridor, leaving an elevated railway as the only feasible option.

However, it seems that these issues can be overcome with either elevated rail or a cut and cover method. We are told that the cut and cover method is 7% more than the cost of elevated rail.

If the case for removal is justified at all these crossings and the Victorian State Govt proceeds with their removal, we must demand design excellence and not allow any Govt to take a cheap option.

The Seaford Community Committee believes that work on this section of railway near the Kananook Creek could be both an environmental and an aesthetic risk if not undertaken with appropriate caution and planning.

Only excellent design will protect the sensitive environment in the Seaford / Frankston area and any design must be developed in conjunction with local environmental groups.

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As someone said recently: "Do it properly or don't do it at all. Really, I'm happy to wait at the current crossings, rather than end up with a bad result for the next 100-200 years."

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Background
Having signed contracts for and commencing works on elevated rail for the Dandenong/Pakenham line, the Victorian State Govt is currently researching design options for grade separation of Level Crossings on the Frankston Railway Line.

The first 3 Level Crossings scheduled for removal on the Frankston Railway Line have been removed by placing the rail line under roads, i.e. Ormond, Bentleigh and McKinnon. The Victorian State Govt has specified more for removal and elevated rail is proposed for several of them - http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/frankston-line

The Vic Govt has stated that the funds derived from the lease of the Port of Melbourne will be used to fund the level crossings removals:
- http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-27/victorian-government-to-lease-port-of-melbourne/6501348
- http://www.dtf.vic.gov.au/Infrastructure-Delivery/Leasing-the-Port-of-Melbourne

Interested members of the community are urged to provide feedback and ideas to the Level Crossing Removal Authority - see below.

Residents and Councils must provide their feedback - NOW - and demand design excellence, not allowing any Govt to take a cheap option. Waiting until an announcement is made would be too late.
Refer - https://www.facebook.com/noskyrailspakenhamline


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Health Issues surrounding rail separation:


Open Letter: "The Health Impact of Elevated Rail on Bayside Communities" provided by the “No Sky Rail: Frankston Line” community group - http://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL - http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org
Link to Post below - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=190&p=389#p389

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Which crossings and why
Crossings proposed for grade separation in the Seaford/Frankston area are Eel Race Rd, Seaford Rd and Overton Rd.

Station St, despite its close proximity to Seaford Rd, has not been mentioned and it is hard to understand how one could be actioned and not the other. Armstrongs Rd is also not on the list. Eel Race Road (a little to the North) IS on the list.

If you’re wondering why some crossings are on the list and others are not, these articles show that the current govt made their list of crossings before the election and before they had access to VicRoads' priority list - and are sticking with their list
- http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/level-crossings-vicroads-list-of-melbournes-worst-overlooked-by-labor-20151023-gkh3s1.html
- http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-does-not-match-labors-level-crossing-removal-schedule/news-story/5c2b688e9a7a211f2513dbd68f90e072
- VicRoads' Strategic framework for the prioritisation of level crossings in metropolitan Melbourne - https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/pomsc/Other_Docs/VicRoads_Report_05102015.pdf
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Preliminary Noise Report for the Caulfield to Dandenong project - May 2016:

http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/preliminary-noise-report-released-for-caulfield-to-dandenong-level-crossing-removal-project

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Previous Research
:!:
The Victorian Govt Architect (VGA) prepared a paper in 2014 entitled "Level crossing removals : lessons learned".
This paper is essential reading for an informed discussion.

Download here:
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More information - http://www.ovga.vic.gov.au/news/100-lessons-learned-level-crossing-removals.html

One "Strategic Issue" from the paper:
"A level crossing removal is more than an engineering project which physically separates road and rail. An intervention of this scale will have a significant impact on the condition and amenity of an established urban area. It is typically a complex urban project."

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Feedback
- Second Round
Complete the LXRA survey form and Post your comments and questions in the LXRA "Join the Discussion" Forum - click here for details

- First Round (CLOSED)
Interested members of the community are urged to provide feedback and ideas to the Level Crossing Removal Authority:


Here's a Message from the LXRA:
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The Seaford public information session was on 21 March - see attached flyer for details.
Full flyer:
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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:30 pm


The recent Seaford information session was very general, with possibilities and concepts displayed, rather than real options - it was certainly made clear that no decisions appear to have been made as yet.

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It was an opportunity to air one's own ideas and view artist impressions and concepts. I overheard one person say it was "a warm and fuzzy session, without substance". As the staff on hand said, it's very early days - there are many issues to be sorted out over time.

:!: It is important that you become involved - and contribute!
See feedback options in the above post.

Here are a few ideas I have received or overheard:
  • Relocate stations
  • Relocate rail line to beside freeways
  • Relocate rail line, then use old line for cyclists (safer than Nepean Highway)
  • Bike track under raised rail
  • Slightly raise rail and slightly lower road (or vice versa)
  • Raised rail must be built strongly enough to carry freight trains
  • All freeways should have rail lines
  • Although a little further North, Carrum Station level crossing could be removed if a second bridge was built over the Patterson River to join Station Street between Bonbeach and Carrum. If that 2nd bridge was built, Station St could then become one-way Southbound and Nepean Highway one-way Northbound for a suitable stretch – research and investigation needed on that one
  • There are many more in the Social Pinpoint at the link above

RMIT and The University of Melbourne report:
http://www.rmit.edu.au/research/research-institutes-centres-and-groups/research-centres/centre-for-urban-research/projects/current-projects/level-crossing-removals/
“RMIT and The University of Melbourne have released a report entitled 'The Benefits of Level Crossing Removals: lessons from Melbourne's historical experience'. The report looks at Melbourne's historical experience with removing level crossings.

It compares rail-under or rail-over options for level crossing removals since the 1890s and contributes to the public debate on level crossing removals and, more widely, on the re-vitalisation of Melbourne's public transport systems. LXRA supported the research, but its findings represent many years of work by its well-respected authors.

The research has been conducted entirely separately to any of the Level Crossing Removal Authority's activities and both the University of Melbourne and RMIT has not had any involvement in, or influence on, the procurement, design development or delivery process for any of the level crossings being delivered.”

Source: http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/the-benefits-of-level-crossing-removals-lessons-from-melbournes-historical-experience


News:
Expert panel to oversee new public open space - 11 April
http://levelcrossingremovalauthority.cmail20.com/t/r-l-ehykryk-dujktdihlk-t

More Detail Needed on SkyRail
http://mpnews.com.au/2016/03/29/more-detail-needed-on-sky-rail/

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Information Session - 17 April

Postby Noel Tudball » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:46 pm


We hope you are able to attend the Sunday session to share your views, listen to others and ask the tough questions.

Refer the attached Press Release from the "​No Sky Rail: Frankston Line" group announcing the public event this Sunday, 17 April.
  • Edithvale Lifesaving Club
  • The Esplanade, Edithvale 3196
  • 10am - 3pm


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Organized by:
“No Sky Rail: Frankston Line”
http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org
http://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/

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Community Groups

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:07 am


Whilst initially very confusing, I have discovered that there are at least 4 community groups providing information surrounding the Level Crossing removals and working to see the best possible outcome for the Frankston railway line - thank you! They are listed below (in no particular order, other than the order in which I found them):

  • These and other community groups have been diligently:
    - collecting petition signatures and presenting them to the Victorian Parliament
    - liaising with MPs and Councillors along the Frankston line
    - collating information for you
    - offering suggestions
    - developing engineering and other documents

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You do not need a Facebook account to view any of these pages (only to add your own comments)

1.
“No Sky Rail: Frankston Line”
http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org
http://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/

I have been provided with the following information about the group's spokespeople:

Engineering - Anthea Williams - 0439 375 063
Engineering - Sean Wise - 0438 357 141
Health - Patricia Schwerdtle - 0402 697 530
Events - Serge Kraskov - 0419 870 434
Media - Willem Popp - 0410 205 007

Health Spokesperson - Patricia Schwerdtle
  • Masters in International Public Health
  • Bachelor Health Promotion
  • Graduate Certificate Health Professional Education
  • Graduate Diploma Critical Care
  • Registered Nurse with 15 years experience in Emergency in 5 countries

Engineering Spokesperson - Anthea Williams
  • Chartered Civil Engineer (CPEng, RPEQ, NER, and PE licences (Civil) in Nevada and California in the USA)
  • Over 20 years professional experience
  • In addition to working on many large infrastructure projects, my most relevant project experience to this issue is my work on the Alameda Corridor grade separation in California USA. This project includes a 16km in ground rail trench

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2.
"No Sky Rail Frankston Line"
Contacts:
- Simon Johnson
- Justin Scott
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/
http://www.noskyrail.com.au/

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3.
"LOTI (Lower Our Tracks Inc)" - Dandenong/Pakenham rail line
https://www.facebook.com/noskyrails/
http://www.noskyrails.com/

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4.
"Communities Against SkyRail"
https://www.facebook.com/CommunitiesAgainstSkyRail/
http://www.CommunitiesAgainstSkyRail.com

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Re: LXRA April 2016 Updates

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:39 pm


See the attached update on phases and dates.


:!: NOTE that feedback to the LXRA in the first round of consultation closed on 8 May, 2016 :!:

The LXRA has said that options (and consolidated feedback from the first public community sessions) for the Frankston line will be made available to the public mid-2016, when the second round of consultation will commence with specific options for crossings.

You can still signup for email updates - http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe


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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:52 pm


LXRA-confirmed vehicle crossings per day for some crossings - more to come ......

Source:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/permalink/240587956295442/?comment_id=241975339490037

A post by Tamlyn Dwyer:
I just confirmed with LXRA the vehicle per day for each crossing as I was interested to know myself. I thought I would share with everyone:
  • Balcombe Road, Mentone 16,300 vehicles per day
  • Charman Road, Cheltenham 12,300 vehicles per day
  • Edithvale Road, Edithvale 13,400 vehicles per day
  • Eel Race Road, Seaford 5,500 vehicles per day *
  • Seaford Road, Seaford 17,400 vehicles per day ***
  • Sky/Overton Road, Frankston 9,800 vehicles per day *
  • Station Street, Carrum 11,800 vehicles per day
  • Station Street/Bondi Road, Bonbeach 4,400 vehicles per day

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:50 pm


2 items below .......

1.
Channel 9 News article, 26 April, 2016 - Bayside Residents Shocked Over Sky Rail


What are the possibilities?

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Source:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/permalink/1715820785346968/
"Artist's impression" video commissioned by Simon Johnson, member of Facebook Community Group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/

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2.
LXRA Consultation Sessions - Notes from the Carrum & Patterson Lakes Forum

Summary of the activities at the LXRA sessions.
Source:
https://www.facebook.com/CarrumPattersonLakesForum


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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby cplforum » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:02 pm

The issues with the process continue from the Drop-In Sessions, with the authority's staff being dismissive of residents who are opposed to elevated rail during their door knocking campaign.

I would like to note that if it is only the announced level crossings being removed, then in some cases elevated rail cannot be a considered design. This is because an elevated rail design requires a significant amount of space, which would see level crossings outside of those announced impacted. On the other hand, the cut and cover method requires less space to be implemented.

If the rail is elevated, I have been informed by experts that the foundations would be 4m deep, however on the contrary the cut and cover method could be employed to lower the rail by making a 6m cutting according to the LXRA's engineers. I believe it is important to address the misconception that the water table inhibits the available designs for consideration. It certainly exists and no one denies that, but it is a factor clearly engineers are prepared to work with.

Residents oppose multi-storey developments regularly and it should come as no surprise that an elevated design has generated the same response.
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Seaford Level Crossings Community meeting - Frankston Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sun May 01, 2016 6:53 pm


Thank you for the above post, Carrum & Patterson Lakes Forum - https://www.facebook.com/CarrumPattersonLakesForum/






Second REPORT on the meeting - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=212&p=397#p397


Community meeting organised by No SkyRail.com.au - Frankston Line
Saturday 14 May - 15:00–16:30
Seaford Community Centre 1/6 Broughton Street (on the corner of Station Street)

https://www.facebook.com/events/1720780081526850/

Thank you for organising, No Skyrail.
You're right - the time to be proactive is NOW - before the next election! This is an excellent opportunity to ask questions of Local, State and Federal politicians. This is a *must attend* event for residents of Seaford and Frankston.

Even though this community meeting is hosted in - and will focus on - Seaford (and Frankston), we would love to see people from further up the line who have thoughts and experience to share.

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/permalink/1715820785346968/

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat May 07, 2016 6:06 am


Health Issues surrounding rail separation:


Open Letter: "The Health Impact of Elevated Rail on Bayside Communities" provided by “No Sky Rail: Frankston Line” - http://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL - http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat May 07, 2016 6:58 pm


There have been reports of surveyors doing their thing at several crossings.
This is to be expected to allow decision-makers to consider options for specific circumstances.

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue May 24, 2016 1:11 am



3 items regarding level crossing removal:

  1. 23 May - Kingston Council votes: "We are unable to support an elevated rail."
  2. Public meeting - 29 May @ 2pm @ Mentone Bowls Club, 2 Swanston St Mentone (Opposite Mentone Train Station) - https://www.facebook.com/events/1194257143940020/
  3. Evidence of Mr Kevin Devlin, CEO of the LXRA, to the Standing Committee on Economy and Infrastructure - Inquiry into infrastructure projects on 4 May

    One quote from the 20 page document:
    Mr DEVLIN - "there are no plans to elevate the whole Frankston line"

    Source:
    https://www.facebook.com/noskyrailspakenhamline/posts/1571913736440324

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Survey questions + Public meeting

Postby Noel Tudball » Sun May 29, 2016 11:24 pm



Report - Public meeting:
29 May @ 2pm @ Mentone Bowls Club, 2 Swanston St Mentone (Opposite Mentone Train Station) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/permalink/1728297504099296/


Resident surveys:
It seems that EY Sweeney are conducting door to door surveys for the LXRA, progressing Southward.
To assist you in preparing your answers in advance, here are the Survey Questions used on the Dandenong Line .... and one person's responses in Edithvale.

I wonder how effective it would be to say:
"I am opposed to level crossing removals because the only option being put forward appears to be elevated rail and I would rather put up with the congestion at crossings." (The only artist's impressions at LXRA consultation sessions were elevated rail.)

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:26 pm


Saturday 4 June: Level Crossings Pop Up Stall

Outside Seaford Woolworths, Cnr Seaford Rd and Nepean Highway.
As with previous Pop Ups, they are expected to be on-site from 9:00 am. Any variation will be posted on Facebook - see links below.

Please support those supporting residents along the Frankston railway line.

Conducted by:
“No Sky Rail: Frankston Line” - http://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL - http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org

  • Engineering, health, noise and alternative options information
  • Petitions for signing (for Parlt and Councils)
  • Banners, car stickers and posters for sale
More information:
- https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/permalink/263279934026244/
- http://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:13 am


FCC met on 6 June 2016. Item 13.2 was related to Sky Rail - see wording below.

All Councillors stating that they opposed elevated rail.
The Motion was then defeated 5/4, with the majority of Councillors voting to wait until the LXRA provided detailed options for each crossing.

LXRA is scheduled to provide options to FCC on 18 July - the date for public release is unknown.
FCC will debate the issue again at a future meeting after 18 July.

Some good summaries of the debate can be found here:

On 13 May 2016 Councillor Spelman gave notice of her intention to move the following motion:
That based on the strong community concern and opposition, as can be seen by the accompanying petition addressed to both Frankston City Council and State Legislative Council of Victoria, this Council adopts a formal position that Frankston City will not accept a Sky Rail solution to the removal of level crossings on the Frankston Line. The petition must also be sent to State Legislative Council of Victoria.

Frankston City Council looks forward to working co-operatively with the LXRA to determine which of the remaining options are best for our City in order to assist the State Government with their election commitments regarding level crossing removal.

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How the Dutch build a tunnel under a highway

Postby Noel Tudball » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:53 pm



How the Dutch build a tunnel under a highway in one weekend AND in the rain.
Part of the road appears to remain open!

Time-lapse A12 70 meter tunnel.
https://youtu.be/DEa9jrkQm0c

Here's how you get some work done! This 3 minute time-lapse video shows how a Dutch construction company put in a tunnel on the A12 highway in the Netherlands in just three days. Workers used four cranes to demolish the road before sliding in the fitted tunnel. Then the workers filled in sand around the gaps before launching into an intense paving operation. Despite a fierce storm, the workers managed to keep working and finish on time. The busy national road was shut over one weekend but was back up and running by the Monday morning commute.


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Press Release from the Premier of Victoria, June 13 2016

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Press Release from the Premier of Victoria, June 13 2016

Be sure to carefully read the wording and definitions of "Sky Rail" and "Elevated Rail".

"A continuous elevated line over every one of the eight crossings won’t be possible, and won’t be built."

Source/read more:
http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/frankston-level-crossing-lies-a-desperate-political-stunt/

The Press release has generated plenty of discussion on Facebook:


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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:46 am


A motion to re-visit this issue is scheduled for the Frankston City Council meeting
next Monday, 18 July, 2016 starting at 7pm
The Agenda is here - http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Council_and_Committee_Meetings/Council_Agendas_and_Minutes_2016

Everyone is welcome to attend this public meeting - indeed, your support would be appreciated.

​There are actually 2 Motions and a 40-page report​ on P132, 595 and 599.
Motion: ​Council supports rail under road as the only appropriate method to remove the level crossings in Frankston City.

Recommendation (Director CAA Development)
That Council:
  1. Endorses the long term strategic rail needs and grade separation options assessment as documented by the Frankston City Council Level Crossing Preferred Options Submission paper (Attachment A)
  2. Agrees to submit the paper to the Level Crossing Removal Authority that recommends the preferred options:
    • Rail under Road for Seaford Road, Seaford;
    • Rail under Road for Skye/Overton Road, Frankston;
    • No change to the Level Crossing at Eel Race Road, Seaford and that the funding be redirected to Community’s strategic rail needs however if there is grade separation works, Rail under Road
  3. Seeks a copy of the Level Crossing Removal Authority’s Geotechnical report on the three sites within the Frankston Municipality for Council’s review
  4. Forwards the paper to the Minister for Public Transport, the Hon. Jacinta Allan MP, the Department of Economic Development, Jobs, Transport and Resource, the Member for Frankston, Mr Paul Edbrooke MP, and the Member for Carrum, Ms Sonya Kilkenny MP and the Public Transport Victoria
  5. Authorises the Mayor to present the submission at the next South East Melbourne Group of Councils’ meeting as well as distributing the paper to other Councils on the Frankston rail line; and
  6. Authorises the CEO to finalise the paper as an advocacy document for Frankston and Regional future rail needs and seeks an urgent meeting with the assistance from Mr Edbrooke MP – Member for Frankston and Ms Kilkenny MP – Member for Carrum to present this document to the Premier of Victoria, the Hon. Daniel Andrews MP, the Minister for Public Transport, the Hon. Jacinta Allan MP, and the Federal Members of Dunkley and Isaacs by mid-September 2016.
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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:28 pm


The motion was passed unanimously!
Thank you to everyone who attended this meeting to lend your support.

​There were some amendments and additions, such as a 3rd line for express trains, but in essence, Council supports rail under road as the only appropriate method to remove the level crossings in Frankston City.

Of course, if we were able to create / attract more jobs / companies to Frankston, people would want to travel South - to Frankston - and possibly not need express trains to the North - just sayin' .........

FCC's Press Release - http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Media_and_Publications/Latest_News/Rail_under_road_for_Frankston_City

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:26 pm



A recent Poll: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/sky-rail-gets-strong-backing-from-voters-20160904-gr89nx.html
A recent article: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/news/next-frankston-line-lxra-sessions-confirmed-for-midlate-september-with-two-design-options-available/news-story/218888b598cfa4001e1c235f994b1932

The second round of public information sessions has now been scheduled for September and October, 2016
.

It is good to see that the LXRA listened to suggestions to make these sessions at a time when train commuters weren't travelling.
It is understood that 2 options will be presented - over and under road.


It is expected that the full list of information sessions and community consultation dates will be available soon at http://www.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au
In the meantime, more dates are being posted on the LXRA Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/levelcrossings


There are also further "by invitation only" sessions with different dates and venues letterboxed to selected areas.


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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:41 pm



  • Familiarise yourself with the options and circumstances surrounding your crossing
  • Complete the LXRA survey form
  • (Closed) Post your comments and questions in the LXRA "Join the Discussion" Forum
  • Share your thoughts: neighbours, Facebook, MPs, Councillors
  • Go to the link below
  • Click on the image/s for crossings you are interested in
  • Review the files and information in "Document Library"
  • Sign in or register a new account
  • (Closed) Complete the Survey
  • (Closed) Post your comments and questions in "Join the Discussion"
    - This is a public forum to share ideas with others
    - If you share information with others via Facebook or email, share it again - here, where LXRA may respond

LXRA's options for level crossing removals on the Frankston line have been released for discussion:

https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/#_ga=1.152415353.1348396035.1469518817



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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:29 pm

Keep up-to-date

You do not need a Facebook account to view any of these pages (only to add your comments)

- SCC Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/SeafordCommunityCommittee/posts/1201977643167823

- SCC Forum (this Topic) - impartial info - ways to provide feedback - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=190

- LXRA website - http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/


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Other:
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Note that the SCC is not affiliated with any of these other groups and our sharing of their information does not necessarily imply endorsement by us. However, we do support anyone who strives to have community views acknowledged and, if appropriate, implemented.
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Facebook - click on the link in the top right-hand corner of this screen.

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:11 pm


Carrum station / Station St / McLeod Rd crossing

Rob Cuzens has shared his detailed drawing showing an alternative rail under option for Carrum.
Also refer his Post here - http://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/carrum/forum_topics/carrum-discussion-forum?comment_id=93910/

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:21 pm


Thank you to all those keeping a watchful eye and developing viable, alternative engineering options which should assist the LXRA and government in their deliberations.

While we await further options and information from the LXRA, testing and research continues:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/208111952876376?view=permalink&id=387831121571124&refid=18&ref=bookmarks&_ft_=qid.6382680779248919109%3Amf_story_key.387831121571124%3Atop_level_post_id.387831121571124%3Atl_objid.387831121571124

I have sent an email to LXRA and will post their response.


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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:50 pm


My question:
1.
Could you please tell me why Geotechnical Investigations are being performed within – or right next to – The Wetlands in Seaford?

There has been some discussion and speculation – see links below.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 295&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/p ... 121571124/

2.
Car parking spaces closure at Aspendale station - https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/p ... 668201136/

I would like to pass on the facts.

LXRA Reply:
I'm following up on your query regarding to the geo-technical investigations and car park closures at Aspendale, and apologise for the delay in getting back to you.

We’re undertaking geo-technical investigations at a number of locations, including at sites around the Seaford Wetlands to better understand the ground water flow and general ground conditions. You may have seen a few more around Edithvale and Bonbeach stations also.

With regards to the car park closures at Aspendale, this is another location where we are undertaking geo-technical investigations to get a better picture of what the conditions below ground are and how the ground water flows. We know having closures of any car park is inconvenient and will hope to have these works completed as soon as possible.

Although our project construction would not be at Aspendale or the Seaford Wetlands, drilling at these places helps us build a profile of the area.

Thank you again for your query, my phone number is below if you would like to discuss further anything in this email.

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:57 am


March 2017:

Closures, elevated rail, bridges and trenches have been announced for level crossings on the Frankston line by the Level Crossing Removal Authority (LXRA).

  • Seaford Road - Bridge - 6.5m elevated rail on an embankment with a 1.5m lowered road - with trains, wires and gantries, etc. above that 6.5m
  • Eel Race Road - CLOSURE:
  • Carrum - Elevated Rail, second bridge over Patterson River, stabling yards for trains & carriages moving to Kananook (somewhere)
  • Overton Rd, Frankston - Elevated Rail - FASTtracked - from the LXRA website: "We will announce our preferred builder in May 2017, with construction starting well ahead of schedule before the end of the year. We are aiming to complete the level crossing removal by 2018

You should acquaint yourself with the designs, their effects on you, your family and your property ..... and have your say - click on the above link.

Alternative Trench options - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=190&p=566#p566


FCC supported rail under road as the only appropriate method to remove level crossings in Frankston City at their meeting on 18 July, 2016. We are waiting for the new Council to reaffirm this decision and request an Environmental Effects Statement (EES) where the LXRA has not.


LXRA Announcement regarding Seaford Road level crossing:
"We are removing the Seaford Road level crossing with a new hybrid design, which will lower Seaford Road and place the rail line on to a planted embankment to separate road from rail."

The road will be lowered 1.5m and the rail tracks will on top of a bridge which will be 6.5m high, with trains, wires and gantries, etc. above that 6.5m.

For more information and to ask questions :arrow: https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/seaford


Seaford Rd crossing mobile information hub updated dates and times:

Woolworths Car Park, Cnr Seaford Road and Nepean Highway:

Tuesday 14 March: 3pm - 7pm
Wednesday 15 March: 12pm - 4pm
Thursday 16 March: 3pm to 7pm
Friday 17 March: 10am to 2pm
Saturday 18 March: 10am to 2pm

Links to more information and where you can post your comments and questions so that others can view and comment, or email privately to the LXRA:


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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:32 pm


Alternative Engineer-Designed Trench options:


Myth-buster
- water tables are not an issue - apparently, Springvale Rd crossing removal is under the water table - http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org/design-considerations/



More will be posted as they come to hand.

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:26 pm



The Seaford workshops will be held on the following dates and times:
• Saturday 25 March, 10am – 12noon
• Monday 27 March, 7pm – 9pm
• Wednesday 29 March, 7pm – 9pm

https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford:
"We'll be hosting a number of community workshops for the Seaford project in March and we're keen to hear your ideas on shaping your local community, including landscaping, paths and environmental initiatives!
Your feedback will help us develop a plan for the area before the project goes to tender later this year.
For more info on dates and times, and how to register visit https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford"


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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:55 pm


Short report on the 27 March workshop.

The next - and final - session for Seaford Rd crossing is Wednesday 29 March - see above Post.

About 30 residents attended tonight - some not from Seaford, but providing support - thank you.

Each group of people on a table was asked to move between 4 tables to comment on different aspects, i.e. you stayed with the same people.

LXRA confirmed the height at Seaford Rd (including gantries) would be 12m.

I reckon the predominant feeling was: "until we get a game-changer on this lousy idea, I'll give them ideas to make the best out of this lousy idea."

e.g.
- We cherish Seaford's village/country feel and low-rise development and want to retain it
- Don't destroy any current vegetation or public space
- Hide any development with more vegetation
- Don't create pedestrian underpasses that would need hiding
- No concrete should be visible

The next - and final - session for Seaford Rd crossing is tomorrow (Wednesday).



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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:47 am



If you feel strongly about the removals, you can contact:

Premier - daniel.andrews@parliament.vic.gov.au
Ministers:
Transport - jacinta.allan@parliament.vic.gov.au
Planning - richard.wynne@parliament.vic.gov.au
Health - jill.hennessy@parliament.vic.gov.au

FCC Councillors - councillors@frankston.vic.gov.au

Local Newspapers
Chris Brennan - g.chrisbrennan@gmail.com
Chris Tatman - christian.tatman@news.com.au.....Frankston Standard
Neil Walker - neil@mpnews.com.au
lisa.schefman@news.com.au
emma.watson@news.com.au.......Mordialloc/Chelsea
mordialloc.chelsea@leadernewspapers.com.au....
lisa.schefman@news.com.au......Frankston Standard
frankston@leadernewspapers.com.au

Herald Sun Reporters/journalists
tom.minear@news.com.au
david.hurley@news.com.au
megan.palin@news.com.au....legal
andrew.jefferson@news.com.au
shannon.deery@news.com.au.......Metro!
samantha.landy@news.com.au
evonne.madden@news.com.au......health!
anthony.galloway@news.com.au
brenden.hills@news.com.au
haveyoursayheraldsun.com.au
matthew.johnston@news.com.au.......hot topics!
knix@news.com.au......health!
hsletters@heraldsun.com.au

# DONT FORGET to include your FULL NAME & ADDRESS & PH NUMBER or you won't get published!

(Thank you to Jan Murnane for compiling this list.)

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:01 am


UPDATE: Motion was passed with an additional item regarding the proposed relocation of the train stabling yard from Carrum to Kananook.

Frankston Council meeting - 3 April (next Monday night) - level crossings Motion is on the Agenda - you can lend your support in 4 ways:

1. Email FCC Councillors and express your concerns about what is being proposed and the process - councillors@frankston.vic.gov.au
2. Respond to the Motion via a verbal submission. To do this you need to register via the FCC website or ring the Councillors Office and book in. You get 3 minutes to talk. You will need to read the motion first to do this
3. Questions with notice. These must be lodged by 12:00pm 31 March at the Davey St. Council office. There is a form on the website or collect one at the council office
4. Questions Without Notice can be submitted on the evening of the relevant Ordinary Meeting. (Have it written out - use the downloadable Form - and hand to a Council Officer before the meeting starts.)

Agenda (35MB) - Item 13.5 - Page 415 - Level Crossing Removal -
http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Council_and_Committee_Meetings/Council_Agendas_and_Minutes_2017
"13.5 NOM 1299:
Councillor McCormack gave notice of her intention to move the following motion:

That Council:
1. Requests from the Level Crossing Removal Authority and the Hon Jacinta Allen MP, Minister for Transport, as a matter of urgency, the release of all technical reports and associated information to the Council and community, which provides justification for the chosen options for treatments at the Frankston railway line grade separations located within the Frankston municipality.
2. Notes that the State Government has failed to provide all of the information as requested previously by Council to date."
Meeting rules, submissions, Forms, etc. - http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Council_and_Committee_Meetings/Council_Meetings

(Thank you to Julia Rose for sharing this information.)

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Re: Level Crossings, Frankston Railway Line

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:57 pm


Advice received today (April 7) from the LXRA regarding upcoming service investigations in the Seaford area - from April 12:

I'm writing to let you know about upcoming service investigations in the Seaford area.

In preparation for the safe removal of the Seaford Road level crossing, the project team need to further investigate the location of underground services, including gas, water, telecommunications, electrical, and sewerage.

These works will occur (weather permitting) from Wednesday 12 April. We expect these works to take a number of weeks to complete.

What we are doing
· Investigating and recording the location of underground services
· Using suction trucks that use high pressure water to excavate holes in the ground, rather than digging holes
· Refilling the holes and reinstating the ground

Where are the works?
These works will occur within the rail corridor and on nearby roads, including:
· Seaford Road
· Railway Parade
· Fortescue Avenue
· Elsie Avenue

Day works
Works will only be undertaken between 9am and 4pm. Traffic management will be in place to keep road and footpath users safe. Detours will be in place to ensure people can get to where they need to safely, however please allow extra travel time.

What to expect
· There will be intermittent noise during these works generated by the suction trucks.
· There will be parking restrictions at some locations and lane and footpath closures during the works.
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July 23: Seaford Rd Level Crossing Rally

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:23 pm


July 23: Seaford Rd Level Crossing Rally - see http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=359

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LXRA Community Reference Group – Seaford

Postby Noel Tudball » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:02 pm


LXRA Community Reference Group – Seaford

"Keen to get more involved in the Seaford Road level crossing removal project?
We’re setting up a Community Reference Group (CRG) for Seaford to help share information and minimise impacts on the local community during construction.
It’s important we have local insight as we head into the construction phase of the project. The CRG will be a forum for community members to be a part of the project's progress and provide a local perspective on any issues.
If you’re living, learning or working in the area and have an interest in how the project will affect you and your community, we want to hear from you!"

The SCC has registered - hope to see you there.
https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford/survey_tools/seaford-community-reference-group-nomination
https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford

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