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Demise of ALL Bluestone toilet blocks?

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue May 01, 2018 11:52 pm


  • The SCC does not agree with FCC’s plans to replace bluestone toilet blocks with a new cheap-looking style
    We have been contacted by many residents who feel the same
    * One example: http://candobetter.net/node/5476
We must now lobby our Councillors - see below.
A campaign has been launched to save bluestone toilet blocks in Seaford/Frankston, particularly on the foreshore
  • Bluestone toilet blocks blend into foliage
  • the new style stands out like a sore thumb - see photos - and larger ones below
Which do you think better suits our foreshore?

This:
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or this:
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It appears that FCC staff and management are simply doing what they have been told to do by Frankston Councillors.
We must now lobby our Councillors to:

  • Reverse their decision to replace ALL bluestone toilets
  • Return the toilet on Seaford foreshore, opposite McCulloch Avenue to it's previous condition
  • The email address for all Councilors is: councillors@frankston.vic.gov.au
  • Their phone numbers are here: http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Councillors
  • Since any decision must be made by a majority of Councillors, all 9 must be contacted and persuaded

    By all means, let us know you have contacted Councillors - the more, the better.
    If we discover that a petition is needed, then this will be created.

    Read the next couple of Posts for more information.

    The SCC understands that FCC staff cannot be everywhere. They sometimes need to rely on residents to advise them of problems.
    To report problems:

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Re: Bluestone toilet blocks: future of

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue May 01, 2018 11:53 pm



The following information has been obtained and compiled by SCC members and friends in liaison with FCC management and others.

Toilet blocks - the FCC Manager responsible has advised:
  • “Eventually all blue-stone toilet blocks will be replaced with a new model that has modules like the one in the George Pentland Gardens (larger than the one planned for near McCulloch Ave) and also situated at the waterfront near the Frankston pier." It seems that blue-stone toilet blocks deteriorate, are hard to maintain & keep clean and are easily dismantled by vandals
  • Q. Access to the blocks would require some sort of pathway, otherwise changes to the block itself will be useless - are these works scheduled?
    A. If a new toilet block is located near a carpark then we would ensure there is a compliant path to provide the appropriate access for all users from toilet to parking. In the case of the new toilet block opposite McCulloch Ave it does have paths for access to either side of the facility to match in with new and existing levels of surrounding gravel paths along the foreshore.
  • Q. Why, if a path is added cannot the existing blocks be modified?
    A. The current toilets are old designs which met regulations at that time, which are now outdated. The existing layout and space available will not allow the addition of a accessible toilet, there just isn’t enough circulation space to meet current regulations, as well as try to fit in all the other amenities which need to meet current codes. You’re redesigning the entire amenities and starting again, which is what we had to do.
    A. There is also an issue with the structural integrity of the existing bluestone blocks, they would not be able to support a new roof. It would require a redesign of the whole structure which becomes a far more expensive exercise and still results in a full rebuild.
  • Q Is that new one operational yet? People report that it already looks shabby and is subject to vandalism.
    A. Yes this toilet is open to the public.
  • Q Do you really intend to replace these with facilities like the one already placed on Frankston Foreshore recently?
    A. Unfortunately vandalism happens throughout the municipality and is something that Council have to rectify on all of our assets, not just our public toilets. We try to design our new buildings using vandal proof materials and in innovative ways to help minimise damage and vandalism and help to assist with repair and maintenance. A. Often we find that new buildings do experience additional unwanted attention once first complete. The toilet blocks are also located in more private settings so can be more prone to attacks. But the new amenities now have (power) safety lights to be more visible to the community.
    A. Council approved a ‘universal’ design / template to be used for all new toilets along the foreshore. Sizes may vary between locations but essentially the design language stays the same.
    A. With our current and extensive daily cleaning regime of all our public toilets hopefully the person / people saying a toilet looks “shabby” was rectified on that same day.

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Re: Bluestone toilet blocks: future of

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue May 01, 2018 11:54 pm


The following information has been obtained and compiled by SCC members and friends in liaison with FCC management and others.

Correspondence received from the responsible FCC Manager:
  • I’m writing on behalf of the Frankston City Council pertaining to your enquiry about the removal of existing bluestone toilet blocks and installation of new facilities.
  • Council have a 10 year toilet action plan which covers all of the existing public toilet amenities across the municipality. This Plan rates the condition of each of these toilet blocks which results in a priority being given to each and a subsequent action - Decommission, decommission and replace with new amenity, refurbish, minor compliance works (to become Disability Discrimination Act (DDA) compliant) or leave as is.
  • The age, condition and non-compliance (DDA – not ‘access for all’ abilities) of the existing bluestone toilets throughout the municipality rated them as a high priority for decommissioning. Many pose a risk to community safety in ways of structural deficiencies and or unsavoury activities around these facilities due to no lighting and design layout.
  • At a number of these locations will have new toilet amenities built to replace the ones being decommissioned. The design (template) of these new facilities has been approved by Council.
  • The bluestone from the decommissioned toilets is being collected and recycled (I’m not aware of how) by the Frankston Regional Recycling and Recovery Centre.
  • The next bluestone toilets (located along the Seaford Foreshore) proposed to be decommissioned and replaced with a new facility are - FY 2018/19 toilet block opposite Seaford Rd and FY 2019/20 toilet block opposite Armstrongs Rd.


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Re: Bluestone toilet blocks: future of

Postby Noel Tudball » Tue May 01, 2018 11:55 pm


The following information has been obtained and compiled by SCC members and friends in liaison with FCC management and others.

Toilet on Seaford foreshore, opposite McCulloch Avenue:
  • 13 April 2018: "still no toilet paper, the same and more rubbish on the floor and to make matters worse as I was coming down the boardwalk the fellow from "Cleanaway" walked over to the Dunny, had a quick look and then got back in his truck and drove away. No cleaning, No toilet paper and door still locked"
  • 6 April 2018: "one door was locked from the inside and the other toilet had no toilet paper and rubbish on the floor"
  • March 2018: a resident was told that "Daisy Downs bought them"
  • March 2018: still not open - awaiting power connection
  • Late March 2018: power connected
  • October 2017: Work completed
  • 28 August 2017: Fate of the bluestone blocks sought & provided by FCC: "the blocks will be recycled and available for sale from the Treasure Chest Recycled Shop at FRRRC – https://www.facebook.com/FrankstonCityC ... 22R6%22%7D
  • 22 August 2017: https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1739757319389850&id=1087889601243295

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