Seaford Community Committee Forum

by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Apr 16, 2016 5:39 pm

See the attached update on phases and dates.

:!:

NOTE that feedback to the LXRA in the first round of consultation closed on 8 May, 2016 :!:

The LXRA has said that options (and consolidated feedback from the first public community sessions) for the Frankston line will be made available to the public mid-2016, when the second round of consultation will commence with specific options for crossings.

You can still signup for email updates - http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/subscribe

LXRA Project Update April .pdf: (100.53 KiB) Downloaded 35026 times

See links for updates from the LXRA in the first post at the top of this page.
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by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:52 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:50 pm

2 items below .......

1.
Channel 9 News article, 26 April, 2016 - Bayside Residents Shocked Over Sky Rail

What are the possibilities?

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Source:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/permalink/1715820785346968/
"Artist's impression" video commissioned by Simon Johnson, member of Facebook Community Group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/

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2.
LXRA Consultation Sessions - Notes from the Carrum & Patterson Lakes Forum
Summary of the activities at the LXRA sessions.
Source:
https://www.facebook.com/CarrumPattersonLakesForum

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Note that the SCC is not affiliated with any of these other groups and our sharing of their information does not necessarily imply endorsement by us. However, we do support anyone who strives to have community views acknowledged and, if appropriate, implemented.
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by **cplforum** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 7:02 pm

The issues with the process continue from the Drop-In Sessions, with the authority's staff being dismissive of residents who are opposed to elevated rail during their door knocking campaign.

I would like to note that if it is only the announced level crossings being removed, then in some cases elevated rail cannot be a considered design. This is because an elevated rail design requires a significant amount of space, which would see level crossings outside of those announced impacted. On the other hand, the cut and cover method requires less space to be implemented.

If the rail is elevated, I have been informed by experts that the foundations would be 4m deep, however on the contrary the cut and cover method could be employed to lower the rail by making a 6m cutting according to the LXRA's engineers. I believe it is important to address the misconception that the water table inhibits the available designs for consideration. It certainly exists and no one denies that, but it is a factor clearly engineers are prepared to work with.

Residents oppose multi-storey developments regularly and it should come as no surprise that an elevated design has generated the same response.

by **Noel Tudball** » Sun May 01, 2016 6:53 pm

Thank you for the above post, Carrum & Patterson Lakes Forum - https://www.facebook.com/CarrumPattersonLakesForum/

Second REPORT on the meeting - http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=212&p=397#p397

Community meeting organised by No SkyRail.com.au - Frankston Line
Saturday 14 May - 15:00–16:30
Seaford Community Centre 1/6 Broughton Street (on the corner of Station Street)
https://www.facebook.com/events/1720780081526850/

Thank you for organising, No Skyrail.
You're right - the time to be proactive is NOW - before the next election! This is an excellent opportunity to ask questions of Local, State and Federal politicians. This is a *must attend* event for residents of Seaford and Frankston.

Even though this community meeting is hosted in - and will focus on - Seaford (and Frankston), we would love to see people from further up the line who have thoughts and experience to share.

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Still taken from the artist's impression video of possible future elevated rail featured on Channel 9 News - 25 April, 2016 - Bayside Residents Shocked Over Sky Rail
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/permalink/1715820785346968/

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by **Noel Tudball** » Sat May 07, 2016 6:06 am

Health Issues surrounding rail separation:

Open Letter: "The Health Impact of Elevated Rail on Bayside Communities" provided by “No Sky Rail: Frankston Line” - http://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL - http://noskyrailfrankstonline.org

by **Noel Tudball** » Sat May 07, 2016 6:58 pm

There have been reports of surveyors doing their thing at several crossings.
This is to be expected to allow decision-makers to consider options for specific circumstances.

by **Noel Tudball** » Sun May 08, 2016 1:11 am

Preliminary Noise Report for the Caulfield to Dandenong project - May 2016:

http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media-library/news/preliminary-noise-report-released-for-caulfield-to-dandenong-level-crossing-removal-project

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue May 24, 2016 1:11 am

by **Noel Tudball** » Sun May 29, 2016 11:24 pm

Report - Public meeting:
29 May @ 2pm @ Mentone Bowls Club, 2 Swanston St Mentone (Opposite Mentone Train Station) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/NoSkyRail/permalink/1728297504099296/

Resident surveys:
It seems that EY Sweeney are conducting door to door surveys for the LXRA, progressing Southward.
To assist you in preparing your answers in advance, here are the Survey Questions used on the Dandenong Line .... and one person's responses in Edithvale.

I wonder how effective it would be to say:
"I am opposed to level crossing removals because the only option being put forward appears to be elevated rail and I would rather put up with the congestion at crossings." (The only artist's impressions at LXRA consultation sessions were elevated rail.)

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:26 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:13 am

by **Noel Tudball** » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:53 pm

How the Dutch build a tunnel under a highway in one weekend AND in the rain.
Part of the road appears to remain open!

Time-lapse A12 70 meter tunnel.
https://youtu.be/DEa9jrkQm0c

Here's how you get some work done! This 3 minute time-lapse video shows how a Dutch construction company put in a tunnel on the A12 highway in the Netherlands in just three days. Workers used four cranes to demolish the road before sliding in the fitted tunnel. Then the workers filled in sand around the gaps before launching into an intense paving operation. Despite a fierce storm, the workers managed to keep working and finish on time. The busy national road was shut over one weekend but was back up and running by the Monday morning commute.

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue Jun 14, 2016 6:14 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:46 am

by **Noel Tudball** » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:28 pm

The FCC motion was passed unanimously!
Thank you to everyone who attended this meeting to lend your support.

There were some amendments and additions, such as a 3rd line for express trains, but in essence, Council supports rail under road as the only appropriate method to remove the level crossings in Frankston City.

Of course, if we were able to create / attract more jobs / companies to Frankston, people would want to travel South - to Frankston - and possibly not need express trains to the North - just sayin' .........

FCC's Press Release - http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Media_and_Publications/Latest_News/Rail_under_road_for_Frankston_City

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:26 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue Sep 06, 2016 4:41 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:29 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Mon Oct 10, 2016 12:11 pm

Carrum station / Station St / McLeod Rd crossing

Rob Cuzens has shared his detailed drawing showing an alternative rail under option for Carrum.
Also refer his Post here - http://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/carrum/forum_topics/carrum-discussion-forum?comment_id=93910/

The full document:

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by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:21 pm

Thank you to all those keeping a watchful eye and developing viable, alternative engineering options which should assist the LXRA and government in their deliberations.

While we await further options and information from the LXRA, testing and research continues:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/208111952876376?view=permalink&id=387831121571124&refid=18&ref=bookmarks&_ft_=qid.6382680779248919109%3Amf_story_key.387831121571124%3Atop_level_post_id.387831121571124%3Atl_objid.387831121571124

I have sent an email to LXRA and will post their response.

by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Feb 18, 2017 4:50 pm

My question:
1.
Could you please tell me why Geotechnical Investigations are being performed within – or right next to – The Wetlands in Seaford?

There has been some discussion and speculation – see links below.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 295&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/p ... 121571124/

2.
Car parking spaces closure at Aspendale station - https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSRFL/p ... 668201136/

I would like to pass on the facts.

LXRA Reply:
I'm following up on your query regarding to the geo-technical investigations and car park closures at Aspendale, and apologise for the delay in getting back to you.

We’re undertaking geo-technical investigations at a number of locations, including at sites around the Seaford Wetlands to better understand the ground water flow and general ground conditions. You may have seen a few more around Edithvale and Bonbeach stations also.

With regards to the car park closures at Aspendale, this is another location where we are undertaking geo-technical investigations to get a better picture of what the conditions below ground are and how the ground water flows. We know having closures of any car park is inconvenient and will hope to have these works completed as soon as possible.

Although our project construction would not be at Aspendale or the Seaford Wetlands, drilling at these places helps us build a profile of the area.

Thank you again for your query, my phone number is below if you would like to discuss further anything in this email.

Kind regards

by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:57 am

by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Mar 11, 2017 5:32 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:26 pm

The Seaford workshops will be held on the following dates and times:
• Saturday 25 March, 10am – 12noon
• Monday 27 March, 7pm – 9pm
• Wednesday 29 March, 7pm – 9pm

https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford:
"We'll be hosting a number of community workshops for the Seaford project in March and we're keen to hear your ideas on shaping your local community, including landscaping, paths and environmental initiatives!
Your feedback will help us develop a plan for the area before the project goes to tender later this year.
For more info on dates and times, and how to register visit https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford"

by **Noel Tudball** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:55 pm

Short report on the 27 March workshop.

The next - and final - session for Seaford Rd crossing is Wednesday 29 March - see above Post.

About 30 residents attended tonight - some not from Seaford, but providing support - thank you.

Each group of people on a table was asked to move between 4 tables to comment on different aspects, i.e. you stayed with the same people.

LXRA confirmed the height at Seaford Rd (including gantries) would be 12m.

I reckon the predominant feeling was: "until we get a game-changer on this lousy idea, I'll give them ideas to make the best out of this lousy idea."

e.g.
- We cherish Seaford's village/country feel and low-rise development and want to retain it
- Don't destroy any current vegetation or public space
- Hide any development with more vegetation
- Don't create pedestrian underpasses that would need hiding
- No concrete should be visible

The next - and final - session for Seaford Rd crossing is tomorrow (Wednesday).

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:47 am

If you feel strongly about the removals, you can contact:

Premier - daniel.andrews@parliament.vic.gov.au
Ministers:
Transport - jacinta.allan@parliament.vic.gov.au
Planning - richard.wynne@parliament.vic.gov.au
Health - jill.hennessy@parliament.vic.gov.au

FCC Councillors - councillors@frankston.vic.gov.au

Local Newspapers
Chris Brennan - g.chrisbrennan@gmail.com
Chris Tatman - christian.tatman@news.com.au.....Frankston Standard
Neil Walker - neil@mpnews.com.au
lisa.schefman@news.com.au
emma.watson@news.com.au.......Mordialloc/Chelsea
mordialloc.chelsea@leadernewspapers.com.au....
lisa.schefman@news.com.au......Frankston Standard
frankston@leadernewspapers.com.au

Herald Sun Reporters/journalists
tom.minear@news.com.au
david.hurley@news.com.au
megan.palin@news.com.au....legal
andrew.jefferson@news.com.au
shannon.deery@news.com.au.......Metro!
samantha.landy@news.com.au
evonne.madden@news.com.au......health!
anthony.galloway@news.com.au
brenden.hills@news.com.au
haveyoursayheraldsun.com.au
matthew.johnston@news.com.au.......hot topics!
knix@news.com.au......health!
hsletters@heraldsun.com.au

# DONT FORGET to include your FULL NAME & ADDRESS & PH NUMBER or you won't get published!

(Thank you to Jan Murnane for compiling this list.)

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Mar 31, 2017 1:01 am

UPDATE: Motion was passed with an additional item regarding the proposed relocation of the train stabling yard from Carrum to Kananook.

Frankston Council meeting - 3 April (next Monday night) - level crossings Motion is on the Agenda - you can lend your support in 4 ways:

1. Email FCC Councillors and express your concerns about what is being proposed and the process - councillors@frankston.vic.gov.au
2. Respond to the Motion via a verbal submission. To do this you need to register via the FCC website or ring the Councillors Office and book in. You get 3 minutes to talk. You will need to read the motion first to do this
3. Questions with notice. These must be lodged by 12:00pm 31 March at the Davey St. Council office. There is a form on the website or collect one at the council office
4. Questions Without Notice can be submitted on the evening of the relevant Ordinary Meeting. (Have it written out - use the downloadable Form - and hand to a Council Officer before the meeting starts.)

Agenda (35MB) - Item 13.5 - Page 415 - Level Crossing Removal -
http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Council_and_Committee_Meetings/Council_Agendas_and_Minutes_2017
"13.5 NOM 1299:
Councillor McCormack gave notice of her intention to move the following motion:

That Council:
1. Requests from the Level Crossing Removal Authority and the Hon Jacinta Allen MP, Minister for Transport, as a matter of urgency, the release of all technical reports and associated information to the Council and community, which provides justification for the chosen options for treatments at the Frankston railway line grade separations located within the Frankston municipality.
2. Notes that the State Government has failed to provide all of the information as requested previously by Council to date."
Meeting rules, submissions, Forms, etc. - http://www.frankston.vic.gov.au/Your_Council/Council_and_Committee_Meetings/Council_Meetings

(Thank you to Julia Rose for sharing this information.)

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:57 pm

Advice received today (April 7) from the LXRA regarding upcoming service investigations in the Seaford area - from April 12:

I'm writing to let you know about upcoming service investigations in the Seaford area.

In preparation for the safe removal of the Seaford Road level crossing, the project team need to further investigate the location of underground services, including gas, water, telecommunications, electrical, and sewerage.

These works will occur (weather permitting) from Wednesday 12 April. We expect these works to take a number of weeks to complete.

What we are doing
· Investigating and recording the location of underground services
· Using suction trucks that use high pressure water to excavate holes in the ground, rather than digging holes
· Refilling the holes and reinstating the ground

Where are the works?
These works will occur within the rail corridor and on nearby roads, including:
· Seaford Road
· Railway Parade
· Fortescue Avenue
· Elsie Avenue

Day works
Works will only be undertaken between 9am and 4pm. Traffic management will be in place to keep road and footpath users safe. Detours will be in place to ensure people can get to where they need to safely, however please allow extra travel time.

What to expect
· There will be intermittent noise during these works generated by the suction trucks.
· There will be parking restrictions at some locations and lane and footpath closures during the works.

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:23 pm

23 July 2017:
Seaford Rd Level Crossing Rally - see http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=359

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:02 pm

LXRA Community Reference Group – Seaford

"Keen to get more involved in the Seaford Road level crossing removal project?
We’re setting up a Community Reference Group (CRG) for Seaford to help share information and minimise impacts on the local community during construction.
It’s important we have local insight as we head into the construction phase of the project. The CRG will be a forum for community members to be a part of the project's progress and provide a local perspective on any issues.
If you’re living, learning or working in the area and have an interest in how the project will affect you and your community, we want to hear from you!"

The SCC has registered - hope to see you there.
https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford/survey_tools/seaford-community-reference-group-nomination
https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford

by **Noel Tudball** » Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:44 pm

Liberal leader Matthew Guy promises to reopen Eel Race Rd crossing if Opposition wins state election next year

Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/liberal-leader-matthew-guy-promises-to-reopen-eel-race-rd-crossing-if-opposition-wins-state-election-next-year/news-story/a1c25910f6f634a3296e149c41041d47

by **Noel Tudball** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:59 pm

LXRA Announcement

"Investigation works and construction to remove the Seaford Road level crossing will begin in early 2018. The level crossing will be removed by 2018 and the project will be completed in 2019."
Further feedback sessions will be organised in 2018 and interaction with the Community Reference group will also occur.

The SCC is a member of the Seaford Rd Community Reference Group (CRG) which will liaise between residents and the LXRA.
If you have questions (who doesn't?), please review the many questions already asked and answered here: https://your.levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/Seaford
If your question has not been answered satisfactorily, feel free to contact us and we'll liaise directly with the LXRA for you.
It is expected that many more questions will follow as the project progresses.

More info:
- http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/seaford-road-seaford
- https://www.facebook.com/levelcrossings/videos/1741407042600640/

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:14 pm

Investigation works prior to removal of the Seaford Road level crossing will begin from Monday 22 January 2018 (between 7am and 5pm weekdays, intermittently across a two week period), with construction commencing early 2018 - see attached.

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:15 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:10 pm

8 February 2018:
1:1 meetings:

LXRA has delivered flyers to residents next to the rail line in Seaford, offering one-on-one meetings over the next couple of weeks to discuss how the project will be built and potential impacts.
LXRA will be meeting with residents:

"on Levuka Street and the top of Fortescue Road first, as they will adjacent to the initial works.
Following these, we will then offer meetings to residents adjacent to the rail line and works areas."

http://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/crossings/seaford-road-seaford
Email: contact@levelcrossings.vic.gov.au
Phone: 1800 105 105 (24/7)
Counselling: 1300 830 687 and quote CSLX

by **Noel Tudball** » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:39 pm

11 February 2018:
Driver training and line testing at Noble Park.
https://www.facebook.com/7NewsMelbourne/videos/10156304471814301/

by **Noel Tudball** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:52 pm

1 March 2018:
LXRA will start setting up the site office in RF Miles Reserve from 5 March 2018 - https://www.facebook.com/SonyaKilkennyMP/posts/1336900893123407

Seaford Road timeline Feb18.pdf: Project Timeline; (115.19 KiB) Downloaded 34609 times

Seaford CRG presentation - 26.02.18.pdf: Presentation to the 26 February Seaford Rd Community Reference Group (CRG) meeting; (2.12 MiB) Downloaded 34760 times

by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:30 pm

Which crossings and why (moved from the first Post in this Crossings Topic which was getting too long)
Crossings proposed for grade separation in the Seaford/Frankston area are Eel Race Rd, Seaford Rd and Overton Rd.

Station St, despite its close proximity to Seaford Rd, has not been mentioned and it is hard to understand how one could be actioned and not the other. Armstrongs Rd is also not on the list. Eel Race Road (a little to the North) IS on the list.

If you’re wondering why some crossings are on the list and others are not, these articles show that the current govt made their list of crossings before the election and before they had access to VicRoads' priority list - and are sticking with their list
- http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/level-crossings-vicroads-list-of-melbournes-worst-overlooked-by-labor-20151023-gkh3s1.html
- http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/secret-report-does-not-match-labors-level-crossing-removal-schedule/news-story/5c2b688e9a7a211f2513dbd68f90e072
- VicRoads' Strategic framework for the prioritisation of level crossings in metropolitan Melbourne - https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/pomsc/Other_Docs/VicRoads_Report_05102015.pdf

by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:35 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:27 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:01 am

28 February 2018:
Traffic lights at the Seaford Road/Railway Parade level crossing

In response to several concerns regarding recent changes to the traffic lights sequencing ........

Carrum MP Sonya Kilkenny has confirmed with VicRoads:

"- there was a change to the traffic lights during the recent period of works associated with the Level Crossing preliminary works
- those works are now complete
- the traffic light operation is back to normal
- thanks to everyone for their patience and understanding."

For those who are not aware, the light sequence change meant that the intersection was almost permanently closed, with traffic backed-up for several hundred metres.
Traffic unable to turn right into Railway Pde banked up, stopping traffic heading straight along Seaford Rd over the crossing - and vice versa.
All green lights/arrows became redundant with the sequence that was set.
Only a few cars at a time were able to navigate the intersection.

Here's hoping this never recurs.

by **Noel Tudball** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 10:06 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:18 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:58 pm

23 March 2018:
LXRA advance notice of upcoming disruption to services on the Frankston Line - buses replace trains.

WEEKEND WORKS 6 – 9 April 2018 at Seaford Rd, including some night works.
Also advanced expectation: line closed 4 May - 16 June - TBC.

The attached works notification letter is being delivered to 800 residents adjacent to the rail line.
We're told that more information on the works will be sent out next week, which we will share when received.

Received from LXRA since the SCC is a member of the Seaford Rd Community Reference Group (CRG)

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by **Noel Tudball** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 4:51 pm

by **Noel Tudball** » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:24 pm

This Topic has now been closed and the next stage is here:

Seaford Rd Level Crossing: Construction Phase: http://www.seafordcc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=409

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